Soumrak Levelu a Score, úsvit nového Excaliburu?

Prodejnost Levelu v únoru poprvé klesla pod 10 tisíc. Score se pod touto hladinou drží už dávno, byť svá data oficiálně neaudituje. Nic z toho ovšem neodradí Martina Ludvíka, držitele ochranné známky Excalibur, od znovuobnovení vydávání svého časopisu. Nebo je všechno jinak?

Na Tiscali Games vydali obsáhlý rozhovor s Martinem Ludvíkem. Ten neudělal ostudu své pověsti komika a předvedl slohový výstup, který zasvěcené pobaví a ty, kdož stále věří v to, že -ml- se dokáže vrátit do vydavatelské branže, snad již nadobro zbaví pochybností. Odpovědi totiž jasně naznačují, že -ml- nedrží informace pod pokličkou, nechrání si know-how. On prostě vůbec s obnovením časopisu nepočítá a doufá, že stylistikou svých odpovědí zpropaguje svou aukci na prodej značky Excalibur natolik, že se najde nějaký bulík, který ji za milion opravdu koupí. Pravda, bulíkovat -ml- vždycky uměl, tisíce předplatitelů Excaliburu na zaplacené, leč nedodané výtisky, marně čekají dodnes. Ale uznejte, jak by někdo s koncepcí mohl odpovídat v tomto duchu?

Opakujete, že máme zapomenout na obsahovou strukturu Score nebo Levelu. V čem tedy přesně bude Excalibur jiný?
Excalibur nebude souborem novinek, preview, recenzí, návodů, kultury a nudných rozhovorů či disertačních prací. Excalibur bude časopis.
[celý rozhovor na Tiscali Games]

Pořád slyšíme jen to, co Excalibur nebude, ale co teda vlastně bude, to neví asi nikdo. Nechápu, jak v kontrastu s tím mohou padat prohlášení o metě 100.000 prodaných výtisků, kterou chce Excalibur dosáhnout zhruba do roka. Celé to jen podtrhuje můj dojem z toho, že se Ludvík snaží úporně přesvědčit, že historie značky Excalibur umožní vznik nového časopisu s minimálními náklady, zatímco při budování nové značky by byly zapotřebí miliony korun. Jen nechápu, koho přesvědčuje, když do nového papermagu by se pustil jen blázen, obzvláště v době, kdy i zavedené vydavatelské domy ruší jeden tištěný magazín za druhým, a to včetně těch největších jako Sanoma či MAFRA.

Zajímavá je pak ještě pasáž o složení nové redakce. Martin Ludvík už na blogu Excaliburu psal, že probíhají intenzivní diskuse s novým šéfredaktorem. Jestli jsem správně vytušil z dalších vyjádření v diskusích, kmenovými autory mají být čeští bloggeři. Nechci shazovat jejich slohové schopnosti, ale ve vší úctě - vládnout tištěným slovem ještě pro vytváření úspěšného časopisu nestačí, chce to i hromadu zkušeností. A obávám se, že těmi nikdo z okolí -ml- disponovat nebude, byť se v diskusi hlásí lidé, kteří už “10 let podnikají v herním průmyslu, vlastnili jeden tištěný magazín a několik webmagů včetně toho nejstaršího /LOL/ vydávají dodnes.” Michale, Phobosusi, Davidíku… citací jednoho mého oblíbeného mailu: Co hulíš chlapče, že vidíš svět v tak růžových barvách, že vydáváš své dřívější parazitování na značce GameSpot s lame projektem, či GameSport s úrovní horší než leckteré fansajty, za projekty dostatečné pro získání know-how k poradenství tištěnému časopisu?

I když, jak si tak čtu některé odpovědi -ml-, ani by mě nepřekvapilo, kdybyste někde “smoukli brčko” a společně jste se poplácali po ramenou, jak jste dobří a úspěšní, protože takovéhle hodnocení by nikdo střízlivý taky neudělal:

Co jste vlastně za celých těch devět let, kdy časopis nevycházel, dělal - co vás mezitím živilo a jak se v tomto směru dařilo, i např. v soukromém životě? Proč jste se k Excaliburu rozhodl vrátit právě teď?
Když zůstanu u vydávatelské profese, tak jsem nějakou dobu vydával Nejlepší hry a doposud vydávám Herní výběr. Oba produkty byly hodně úspěšné a to mi tak trochu navnadilo vrátit se zpět k Excaliburu. Také mám rozděláno spoustu jiných nevydavatelských a neherních projektů, které jsou ale v neveřejné fázi, takže k nim vám teď nic bližšího neřeknu.
[celý rozhovor na Tiscali Games]

Tak Martine, závěrem. Excalibur není jako Míša ani Tatranky. To jsou značky, které mají jméno. Na Excalibur si možná zavzpomíná pár pařanů, ale jeho návrat si nepřeje asi nikdo. Když Ti zkolabuje počítač, jen restart nepomůže, je třeba jej přeinstalovat. A Ty očividně nemáš nejmenší ponětí, jak na to. Smiř se s tím, že už jsi svou značku jednou pohřbil, nech ji v klidu odpočívat v zapomění a nesnaž se tělo v rozkladu vykopávat ze země a znovu jej oživovat. Proděláš spoustu peněz a zápach mrtvoly zůstane. To je má dobrá rada. A máš ji zadarmo.

372 Responses

  1. Karasman Says:

    Dobrá rada, Vreco, a já se k ní přidávám. Nevím, co si -ml- myslí, ale asi je všem (kromě něj) jasné, že na Excalibur je už dnes pozdě. I já jsem pamětník oněch krásných a dnes již nostalgických časů, ale i pokud Excalibur vycházet začne, kupovat ho nebudu. Možná si koupím jedno číslo, abych zhodnotil jeho kvality, ale tím to hasne. Ustálený herní časopis jako Level nebo Score se sice prodávají, ale stále méně a zcela nový se na českém trhu nemá šanci prosadit. Recenzí je na internetu víc než dost a zadarmo. A chtít milion za ochrannou známku? To je asi vtip století.

  2. Nick Says:

    Tady musim napsat ze casopisu venujicimu se hram, hernim inovacim, technologiim, postupum, napadum, novemu hernimu hardware a dalsim podobnym vecem celkem fandim. Nakonec by to bylo spaseni v dnesnim svete rodoby kritiku a dalsich tech chytrych, co jen dokazi snaset moudre reci a hram jako takovym pouze vynasi ortel v podobe vztyceneho ci sklopeneho palce.

    Ohledne tohoto clanku - skoda ze se autor nesnazi zamyslet jak by takovy casopis mohl vypadat.. Presto si krasne chytre reci neodpusti, ze? :-P

    sry ze jsem to pred tim hodil do jineho clanku. ;-)

  3. Vreco Says:

    Nicku, když nevěřím tomu, že by to mohlo fungovat, přijde mi ztrátou času zamýšlet se nad tím, jak by to mohlo vypadat…

  4. wr Says:

    Tištěné médium (obecně, nejen herní) umírá. Tušíme to skoro všichni, někteří to dokonce už ví a jen pár bláznů si to nechce přiznat. Otázkou není “jestli”, ale “kdy”. Sázka na tištěný magazín je riskantnější než dát v kasínu milión na zero. Značka Excalibur má už hodnotu menší než zdarma šířená artušovská legenda a mezi mladými bude známější Boormanův film než časopis. Moje generace skoročtyřicátníků, která časopis pamatuje, to jako skupina předplatitelů nevytrhne. Osobně bych si nekoupil ani 0. číslo - ani z nostalgie.

  5. Robotron Says:

    Koukam, ze ani zasveceni a zkuseni lide z branze nejsou o nic lepsi nez bezni ctenari, kteri neco nechteji, protoze to proste nechteji, a just ne. To je takova ceska specialita tohle. Jakmile se vidi, ze neco nemusi mit uspech, ale muze, ale mysli si, ze preci jen rozhodne nemuze, je to tutovka, prizivit se vlastnim uzasnym zasvecenym nazorem a pak jenom rici, vidite? Ja jsem vam to rikal, jsem dobrej, hele, ja mel pravdu, to byla ale blbost co? Ve skutecnosti by takovym zpusobem a pristupem nikdy nevzniklo nic, kdyby se lide ridili takovymi radami. Nevim, mozna v dobach vzniku Excaliburu, nebo Bonuswebu byla jina nalada, kdyz neco muze byt, tak at se o to nekdo pokusi? Proc neco shazovat jenom proto, ze ja jsem Vreco a vsechno vim? Ja nevim. Ani Vreco, ani diskuteri ve clancich o Excaliburu nemaji zadny duvod radit, aby nekdo se vubec o nic nepokousel? Proc? Maji na tom snad nejaky vlastni zajem? Stane se jim neco? Pokud Excalibur nebude? Ne, pro ctenare je jedine dobre, kdyz novy Excalibur bude, kdyz nebude, nic se pro ne nemeni. Ten odpor oproti tomu se o neco pokusit fakt nechapu.

  6. Nick Says:

    Vreco: Ale ano. Neni uz fer misto svych nazoru psat 2 clanky jen kvuli jedovatym slinam mirenym na neci osobu. Jeho idea ti je podruzna. Priste misto excaliburu do nadpisu napis “lama Ludvik” - asi to bude vystiznejsi. Ke konci muzes zaslouzene napsat “Well Done”

    Dale jsi napsal: “A obávám se, že těmi nikdo z okolí -ml- disponovat nebude, byť se v diskusi hlásí lidé, kteří už “10 let podnikají v herním průmyslu” - nevim. Nejvetsi pohromou je clovek majici zkusenosti s trhem pred x lety, ktery usnul na vavrinech, cimz pozbyl jakoukoli otevrenost vuci ostatnim myslenkam. Cele dva clanky nejsou o otevrenem nazoru, nybrz soudu… Jen se divim, ze takto klesa i uroven tiscali… Hmmm. Zrejme vladnout slovem nestaci :-P
    Take bych se pozastavil na jednou veci - co pro dnesni lidi znamena znacka excalibur - pro nektere casak, nektere nostalgii.. skoda ze pro nektere jen kupu predsudku smisenou s jizlivosti. ;-)

  7. Nick Says:

    Vreco: Zkus se zamyslet, zda je lepsi clovek, ktery hleda cestu, nebo ten “zkuseny”, ktery se jen smeje druhym (aneb jak to vse splachnout do…) S jednou vetou ovsem souhlas - vladnout slohu opravdu nestaci.
    A jeste neco. Musis mit za kazdou cenu kopu zkusenosti? S cim? S trhem ktery se kazdym dnem meni? Tezko… Pletes si zkusenosti s adaptibilitou…

  8. Vreco Says:

    Robotron, Nick - co to sakra berete jako útok na ML? Já mu říkal už víc jak před pěti lety, ať neblázní, že na tom prodělá spoustu peněz. TO JE MÁ RADA (takže mi nepodsouvejte, že neumím poradit :-)).
    Nejde vůbec o to, jak se časopis bude líbit vám, ale o to, jestli si na sebe vydělá. A já říkám, že nevydělá, protože nezíská kritické množství čtenářů a tím pádem ani inzerentů. Pro příklad nemusíme chodit daleko, nezvládlo to ani Doupě s podobnou ideou nízké ceny, ovšem s násobně silnějším marketingovým potenciálem díky cross-promotion v rámci svého vydavatelstvi a s potenciálem v podobě 300 tisíc unikátních návštěvníků na webu…

    PS: možná už patřím do herního důchodu, ale počítat ještě pořád umím…

  9. Robotron Says:

    Jenze vsechny casopisy co u nas vysly jsou byli cilene hlavne na hardcore pc hrace, nerkuli piraty. Doba se zmenila, pritom casopisy jsou stale vice hardcore informativniho charakteru. Myslim, ze tatko to nejde srovnavat s neuspechem NextLevelu a Doupete, protoze Excalibur tim, ze nebude mit klasicke recenze, ze bude cilen na sirsi spektrum lidi, co se o hry zajimaji, proste nemuze nikdo dopredu vedet jaky to muze mit skutecne uspech, kdyz ten casopis proste bude jiny.

  10. Vreco Says:

    Ale v čem bude jiný? Pořád slyšíme o tom, že to bude úplně jiný časopis než co zatím vychází, ale v čem bude jiný? Bude to lifestyle s cílovkou hráči, podobně jako je Bravo lifestyle s cílovkou děti? Přesto si troufám tvrdit, že neuspěje, stačí se rozhlédnout kolem, kolik zavedených časopisů končí a to i od zvučných jmen (napadlo by před měsícem někoho, že Hachette Filipacchi ukončí vydávání poměrně úspěšného Premiere)?

  11. Robotron Says:

    Jiny muze byt ve spouste veci, uz jen tim, ze bude pristupny kazdemu, lidem, co s hrami zacinaji, i retro hracum, i tem, co se chteji proste dozvedet neco zajimaveho v clancich a textech, ktere budou cileny na veci zajimave, je jen rozebirani Mafi 2 screenshotu, jestli je vdalce nejaky mrakodrap, a co to znamena, takove hlouposti, to prece zajima jen mizive mnozstvi tech nerdu paranu. Ne, proste normalni casopis. Jine casopisy taky nemaji problem a nektere i rostou, i v dobe internetu, musi jen proste najit zpusob, jak ctenare zaujmout. V tom je sila noveho casipisu na trhu, protoze stare Score a Level se ani zmenit nemuzou, jsou tak konzervativni, ze si to nemohou dovolit. Kazdy casopis by mel byt cilen na to, co lidi zajima a problem je, ze na jake hrace S/L cili, tech je stale min a min, neni to podle me tolik internetem, ale proste ze o hry se zajima sice vic lidi, ale jen ti nerdi se presunuli na net, normalni skupina lidi, co si chce jen proste neco zajimaveho precist, ta na trhu takovy casopis proste nema. Podle me se teda neda spekulovat nad tim, co ze zkusenosti vyplyva v jakem zamereni je co uspesne a neni. Prvni vec je proste psat o tom, co lidi zajima.

  12. Robotron Says:

    Jejda, omlouvam se, jak jsem to podivne napsal, neco mi tam i vypadlo, snad je to k srozumeni.

  13. Robotron Says:

    Jeste takhle, myslim si, ze sila internetu je v tom podat nejaktualnejsi informace. Jenze na nejake hlubsi clanky, zamysleni, souvislosti, neco, co by melo i za nejaky cas hodnotu, ze by se k tomu lide vratili, to na internetu az tak bezne neni, ne snad ze by to neslo, ale protoze internet je uspechany, stejne jako doba. Podle me casopisy tomu nesmi konkurovat a musi si najit cesticky, kterymi zaujmou proste necim jinym a to jsou podle me promyslenejsi clanky, ktere se na internetu moc neobjevuji, zvlaste v te herni novinarine.

  14. Maario Says:

    Lidi, že Vás to baví se o něm takhle bavit, vždyť mu děláte reklamu! Jeho odpovědi na moje otázky jsou dost z cesty (Tatranky a počet čtenářů), ohledně čtenářů si ML neuvědomil, že mnoho stejných lidí ten časopis shlédlo a poslední roky co si budeme nalhávat byly fakt strašný! Já se obávám, aby ML ti jeho první kupující dnes podle jeho slov 35tníci nezemřeli než jeho SUPER, EXTRA, BOMBA EXCALIBUR vydá. Prej to bude jako knížka - TO SI RADĚJI PŘEČTU KINGA!

  15. Vintio Says:

    Ludvik a Davidik spolu? Tak nevim, zda se tomu od srdce zasmat, nebo to brat jako nejvetsi mozny horor v oblasti herni zurnalistiky u nas :)

    Robotron, mozna bys mel i zvazit kupni silu lidi v CR, to, ze webu o hrach ( dobrych i spatnych ) je vic jak hub po desti, vetsina mladych dnes uz umi anglicky natolik, ze nemaji problem si precist to co je zajima v cizim jazyce. Nejen to je zakladni rozdil mezi dobou, kdy Excalibur vychazel a dneskem. To je taky jeden z duvodu snizovani objemu prodanych kusu u stavajicich hernich magazinu ( a nejen u nas ).

    Mimichodem, sila internetu je nejen v tech aktualnich informacich, ale take v moznosti vetsi hloubky nez clanky v casopise ( omezeni stranama, casem, reklamama apod ). Muzes v casopise neco rozpitvat do hloubky, na internetu tu stejnou vec udelat vetsi pocet lidi, kazdy ze sveho pohledu, rychleji a vetsinou i prehledneji - mas moznost vyberu i vetsi objektivity. Tu stejnou vec muzes najit diky indexaci i par let zpet, jsem zvedav jak budes neco takoveho hledat v casopisech… a mohu pokracovat dal a dal.

    Proste oba druhy maji sve, ale klasickym tistenym casopisum pomalu ale jiste ujizdi vlak a vratil by se zpet pouze v pripade, kdy by lehl cely internet a uz nevstal ;)

  16. Jan Says:

    Stejně to nevyjde, papíráky umírají :( Teď zrušili filmový měsíčník Premiere a to i přesto, že se měsíčně prodalo cca 35000 výtisků…

  17. Robotron Says:

    Hloubka clanku a jeho delka je vec velice relativni, muze byt hluboky clanek, ktery rekne vse v 4000 znacich, stejne jako clanek absolutne o nicem o 40000 znacich. Jiste ze na internetu muze byt prakticky cokoli, ale ma zkusenost je takova, ze internet je medium dnesniho dne, co bylo vcera, to uz je stare, v tom pohledu takovym hlubsim clankum, ktere se treba na neco ohlizi, davaji veci do souvislosti, zamysli se, internet proste moc nepreje. Nebo mi ukaz, nejaky takovy clanek na hernich webech? Obcas se neco malo objevi, ale je toho malo a pak takovy clanek zapadne. Kdezto v casopise to ma podle me vetsi vyznam, je to proste jiny zpusob pristupu k informacim a nemyslim si proto, ze kvuli internetu by meli casopisy zaniknot. Take stale existuji radia, i kdyz vedle toho bezi mnohem popularnejsi televize. Jen si ty media musi najit to sve, cim oslovi.

  18. -ml- Says:

    Vintio: Souhlasím, ale s tím, že tištěný herní časopis má nyní ještě své místo na trhu a stále je v porovnání s webem dominantní (měřeno finančním obratem). Je dost lidí, kteří si kupují tištěné časopisy. Je hodně neherních časopisů, jejichž náklad jde prudce nahoru i dnes, v době internetu. Samozřejmě jsou zase jiné časopisy, jejichž náklad jde dolů nebo zcela skončily. Je to hodně o kvalitě těch časopisů.

    Excalibur nebude jen tištěný, ale i webový a oba se budou vzájemně podporovat a doplňovat. Je možné, že za nějakou dobu zůstane jen ten webový, ale ta doba je ještě dost vzdálená. Zítra to více objasním v tom rozhovoru na tiscali.

  19. Opičák Says:

    Robotron: jen by me zajimalo jak by natom byla radia s poctem posluchacu, kdyby vedle nich do aut davaly i televize :)

  20. Robotron Says:

    Asi spatne, protoze by bylo vic bouracek :)

  21. Zutro Says:

    Ja nevim vo cem se vubec bavite?Kdyz jsem sehnal poradne pripojeni na net a koupil si Rapidshare tak nac jeste kupovat njake papirove magaziny?A ze jich mam ve skrini spoustu.:)Proste si danou vec hned zahraju na co si kupovat papirak z plackou za 150kuli nebo i vice uz jsem dlouho zadnej nekoupil tak nevim kolik stoji.:)Nez si o hrach cist tak je lepsi je hrat ne?:)Mam dost cisel Excaliburu,Levelu i Score.Ale nemnel bych je kdybych mnel poradny net hned od zacatku.Timto si take myslim ze papirove media o Gamesach spejou fakt k zaniku.

  22. Jeliman Says:

    Hele Ludvik ty magore jeste mi dluzis predplatne ktere jsem si zaplatil a dostal 2 excalibury. Takze z toho milionku potom neco posli. A pribal k tomu ten model co tam hulite protoze to vypada na extra kvalitu.

  23. Ronox Says:

    To Zutru: jestli mas doma eXcalibur, tak podle pravopisu mozna, tak z nejake blesarny. A jestli patris mezi ty: stahnout, dohrat a ikdyz je to dobre nekoupit, tak to radsi leavni tuhle diskuzi obloukem.

  24. Lopikoid Says:

    Papíráky umírají? Ale notak.. Než začnou vycházet hry ve větší míře po 49 Kč, jako se to stalo s filmamma, tak se jich pořád dost prodá. A jestli jo? Místo na trhu pro herní časopis pořád je - možná se to někomu může zdát divný, ale na světě jsou i lidi, co někdy i vstanou od počítače a dokonce si přečtou i něco jinak než na obrazovce. I když třeba jen v posteli, na hajzlu, v tramvaji nebo u jídla..
    Když se uživí 150 časopisů o autech a 40 o vaření nebo plátky typů “Náš pes”, “Kočky” nebo “Koně” tak nevím proč by to nešlo s hrama.
    Ludvík je dost přehnanej, ale to pořád neznamená, že automaticky nemá pravdu v tom, že by se neuživil jinej formát časopisu než trojkombinace hra, časopis a DVD s trailerama.. Třeba chytře udělanej lifestyle magazín se zaměřením (nejen) na starší hráče, mi přijde zrovna jako celkem životnej nápad.
    Ještě k tomu názoru co se tu objevil, že na webu jde jít víc do hloubky - na kterým webu? Dokud budou živí z počtu zobrazení bannerů tak asi těžko Anežko..

  25. JosephD Says:

    Místo na trhu pro herní časopis stále JE, obzvlášť teď po ukončení Gamestartu, Doupěte a Next Levelu. Stačí se jen pořádně zamyslet nad tím, co dostatečně přitáhne čtenáře (hlavně se tedy podívat na cenu) a jít do toho. Upřímně řečeno, Score a Level nedokáže pružně reagovat na dnešní požadavky čtenářů, proto se nedivím jejich prodejním výsledkům.

    PS: Jak už řekl Lopikoid, podívejte se občas na pulty větších stánků, kde už mají svůj časopis snad i morčata. A pak mi tvrďte, že by se tu jeden zajímavý herní časopis neuživil ;)

  26. Michael Davidík Says:

    No nevim jak ste prisli na to ze ja a ML neco spolu rozjizdime. Ja si jen precetl diskuse u jeho blogu a napsal normalni koment.. to je cele :)

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  27. Michael Davidík Says:

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    Ohledne kvality clanku nemohu soudit protoze jsem jeste zadne vydani noveho excal necetl. Ale jsem si jist ze si ho koupi alespon 1. cislo minimalne kazdy 2 HC hrac a spousta pametniku a i ti co uz nehraji.
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  29. Marcus de Tycho Says:

    Ideální časopis plný rozborů retro her, historie vývoje a pozadí her - krásné počtení. Ale tohle by téměř nikdo nekoupil. Ze srandy jsem se bavil s děckama od kamaráda (kluk 12, holka 15 - oba hrají střídavě na PC a PSP denně 5 hodin). Časopis je zajímá jen kvůli obrázků a to si ho raději jen půjčí. Na internetu, který používají více, než svou hlavu, je totiž všechno…

  30. Robotron Says:

    Pak tedy musi byt v Excaliburu pekne obrazky! :)

  31. Yoyo Says:

    Excalibur jsem za mlada citaval, nicmene souhlasim s autorem, ze je to davno pohrbena zalezitost, kterou nema cenu tahat z hrobu.
    Co mi prijde jako blabol na strane autora je hlaska, ze “-ml- nedrží informace pod pokličkou, nechrání si know-how.” a hned pote “Pořád slyšíme jen to, co Excalibur nebude, ale co teda vlastně bude, to neví asi nikdo.”
    Tyhle dve vety si snad primo odporuji. Pokud se nevi, co Excalibur vlastne bude, tezko to povazovat za vyzrazeni know-how.

  32. Vreco Says:

    #26 - neposilal jsem mail Tobe, citoval jsem jeden mail, o kterem jsem psal v predchozim postu - psal to jeden obchodni reditel jednomu technickemu rediteli a tahle veta, ktera v nem zaznela, se mi proste libila :-)
    PS: Ty dve hodiny v psychologicke poradne zdarma beru. Napis prosim kdy a kde.

    #31 - neodporuje. Jak si muze nekdo chranit know-how, kdyz zadne nema a vsechno je to jenom vareni z vody?

  33. Karasman Says:

    Tak jsem si precetl rozhovor na TG a porad se nemuzu zbavit pocitu, ze -ml- jen neuveritelne machruje, jak bude novy Excalibur naboostovany hypernejlepsi casopis na svete, ale nejake konkretnejsi informace chybi. A prodejnost 100k vytisku? Utopie…

  34. Honzeecheck Says:

    Na druhou stranu koukněte jakou si udělal zadarmo reklamu - první číslo si koupí opravdu každej - O Excalibru se teď opravdu mluví… Navíc všichni očekávaj, že to bude maximální průser, takže může jedině příjemně překvapit. Jsou to jeho prachy tak at si s nima dělá co chce. (kdyby to pojal trochu skromějc tak by to možná i mělo nějakou šanci, 100 000 je fakt hovadina)

  35. adis002 Says:

    jsem tu nový, čtu si jen to, jaký bude Excalibur hovadina…
    Nevím, nepamatuju si to, nebyl jsem ani na světě tuším :-D
    ale Exca si snad koupím, abych viděl, jak člověk, který moc mluví, ztratí řeč…
    EXCALIBURU dávám tak čas 3 čísla, než zase krachne…

    P.S: Jak někdo může dělat reklamu na něco, o čem nikdo nic neví? je to zajímavý tah, každý 2 si koupí jeho číslo, vydělá si na tom tak 100 000 000 a konec… pak si nikdo nekoupí, bo uvidí, že jako časák o hrách bude stát za hovno… SCORE/LEVEL RoCk!!!

    (a 100 000? LOL… možná fakt první čislo [ale i tak pochybuju]… budou rádi, když si to bude kupovat tak 1000 xD)

  36. huntaxklu Says:

    adis002: Jak někdo může mluvit o něčem, o čem nic neví, je taky zajímavý.

  37. Opičák Says:

    Robotron:
    Ještě k tomu rádiu…
    http://www.play.cz/statistiky-radii-n
    Náhodou jsem to právě našel na netu a jsem šokovaný, jak málo lidí to rádio nakonec poslouchá. Právě ted to není ani 17 000 lidí.
    Čekal jsem minimálně 10x víc, takže ani ty rádia tý televizi moc nekonkurujou.
    I když.. zase nevím jak moc se tomu grafu dá věřit.

  38. Lopikoid Says:

    To jsou jen webový rádia…

  39. Opičák Says:

    Aha! Mě se to zdálo fakt brutálně málo :)
    No, omlouvám se za chybu.

  40. Vokr Says:

    Moc hezký napsané Vreco:)

  41. Tomus Says:

    Vreco, tobě ty flame wars vážně scházejí, což? :)

  42. -ml- Says:

    Vreco: Díky za možná dobře míněněné rady, ale Excalibur jsem veřejně slíbil a tak ho v případě neprodeje značky Excalibur obnovit musím, i kdybych nechtěl.

    Excalibur nebude jako Score nebo Level zaměřen na malou skupinu pařanů, kteří dnes stejně ve své většině papírové časopisy nečtou a S/L kupují hlavně kvůli hrám na DVD. Záběr Excaliburu bude daleko širší a jeho prodejní cena mnohonásobně nižší. Pokud bude psán srozumitelně a čtivě (a to bude), může oslovit mnohonásobně větší čtenářskou obec a docílit mnonásobně větší prodejnosti.

    A konkurence internetu? Ano, časopis nemůže být interaktivní a aktuální jako net, proto ho bude doplňovat ještě Excalibur web. A proč by tedy měli lidi Excalibur kupovat, když údajně totéž a mnohem dříve najdou na netu? Jednak na netu nic ani vzdáleně podobného není a hlavně časopis má proti internetu stále ještě nějaké ty výhody. Existuje dokonce dost časopisů, kterým v dnešní internetové době prudce stoupá náklad. A trh, který dnes není obsazen žádným cenově přístupným a kvalitním herním časopisem (S/L se díky své extrémní ceně dostly mimo dosah většiny hráčů), tak to je přeci skvělá příležitost pro Excalibur postupně zabrat bez jediného výstřelu dost velkou část nemalého trhu o velikosti 5 mil. Kč měsíčně (počítáno bez inzerce).

    A otázka (nejen) pro Vreca: Jak velkou návštěvnost by musel mít herní web, aby docílil měsíčního příjmu 5 mil. Kč a kdy se to podle Tvého odhadu nějakému takovému českému hernímu čistě informačnímu webu povede?

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    ML sice píše bláboly a pochybuju o úspěšným vskříšení, ale kvůli tomu že se šéfredaktor v rozhovoru chová jako blázen, nebudu ještě kydat hnůj na něco, co ještě ani neexistuje a už vůbec nebudu mluvit za všechny.

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